The National Biometric ID Card: The Mark of the Beast?

Watch out for the National ID card. Call or email you Senators and Representatives and tell them to vote against House bill 4231. View the bill here,

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc111/h4321_ih.xml

Look up Sec. 143 (1) (A) (iii) it calls for a permanent resident card. This is a technology not needed for immigration reform. The time to act is now...

Lies are being told about HHO and the advantages it gives when mixed with HC fuels. Visit this video [link] and you will see falsified emission test results done by YouTube users Silverados1500 published by HHOinfo. The files were on an anti-HHO propaganda site, HHOinfo.info, but have since been removed. They are still available through google's cache page at: [link]

To to compound the lies told by these two individuals have repeatedly denied changing the files. Silverados1500, whose real name is Jerry Singleton, has accused me of tampering with the files on their site! The links these two will go to discredit HHO is unbelievable. If you get a chance to visit my video and let these idiots know how you feel about their lies...

Emissions testing showing skewed results designed to invalid the benefits of H2 added to gasoline. The only way to get more unburned hydrocarbons and increased CO levels is to run a rich fuel mix. Naturally the poster of these "test results" says this proves HHO cannot increase MPG. Scams are not only present in he HHO community they also are done by the naysayers...

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ICE efficiency map

Here's an efficiency map for a motor vehicle courtesy of fueleconomy.gov

Listed below are losses described in detail. Notice that the Accessory category includes the A/C compressor, Power Steering Pump, Water pump, and the Alternator. An additional load on the system from electrolysis is really small in the scope of things.

Idling Losses – 17.2%

In urban driving, significant energy is lost to idling at stop lights or in traffic. Technologies such as integrated starter/generator (ISG) systems help reduce these losses by automatically turning the engine off when the vehicle comes to a stop and restarting it instantaneously when the accelerator is pressed.

Accessories – 2.2%

Air conditioning, power steering, windshield wipers, and other accessories use energy generated from the engine. Fuel economy improvements of up to 1% may be achievable with more efficient alternator systems and power steering pumps.

Engine Losses – 62.4%

In gasoline-powered vehicles, over 62% of the fuel's energy is lost in the internal combustion engine (ICE). ICE engines are very inefficient at converting the fuel's chemical energy to mechanical energy, losing energy to engine friction, pumping air into and out of the engine, and wasted heat.

Advanced engine technologies such as variable valve timing and lift, turbo charging, direct fuel injection, and cylinder deactivation can be used to reduce these losses.

In addition, diesels are about 30-35% more efficient than gasoline engines, and new advances in diesel technologies and fuels are making these vehicles more attractive.

Driveline Losses – 5.6%

Energy is lost in the transmission and other parts of the driveline. Technologies, such as automated manual transmission (AMT) and continuously, are being developed to reduce these losses.

Overcoming Inertia; Braking Losses– 5.8%

To move forward, a vehicle's drive train must provide enough energy to overcome the vehicle's inertia, which is directly related to its weight. The less a vehicle weighs, the less energy it takes to move it. Weight can be reduced by using lightweight materials and lighter-weight technologies (e.g., automated weigh less than conventional automatics).

In addition, any time you use your brakes, energy initially used to overcome inertia is lost.

But the addition of HHO to the system has the potential for gains greater than the losses associated with electrolysis because of H2 allows you to lean out the gasoline A/F ratio.

1-29-10 - HHO can work rebuttal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvJdnpxKJks

Ok this thread has gotten so fractured by all the name calling and other crap that is has become easy to miss something. And the 500 character limit is hard to make clear points. So I wrote this blog entry to try and catch up.

ES2008: NASA showed flame speed improvement with the 231 g/hr too. They also showed an improvement in TE as well. You even posted a quote stating they got a 10 percent fuel enrichment using 231 g/hr. How else do you explain this increase if not for an increase in FS and TE.

In the Popular Mechanics article the guy says he tested all kinds of units that gave up to 1 LPM this is even less than what Silverado says is average.

A1mint is a funny dude…

HHOinfo: In many document places H2 added to gasoline allows for leaner burns and higher compression ratios. It’s just a matter of adding enough H2.

Sliverados1500: The geneset tests were made to show different aspects of HHO.
Here are the reasons that are given to prove HHO cannot work.

1) HHO takes more energy to make than it gives back to the system.

Smack tests he posted a 6 % gain in run time using HHO AND the load required to make it.

Rebuttal: the test is not valid because it was a portable generator and they are not comparable to automobile engines.

But from an energy stand point the energy used to make the HHO was made by the engine and it the engine still ran longer with the same EGT.

2) HHO is an ant fart compared to the BTU energy available in gasoline.

Scarecrow ran his generator on HHO alone on 3 times less BTU per hour compared to the rated gasoline usage.

Rebuttal: the test is not valid because it was a portable generator and they are not comparable to automobile engines.

But from a BTU stand point this test shows that the other factors of increased flame speed and lean burn range are more relevant to engine production than BTU values. An example of this in methanol, it has energy value is only 19.7 MJ/kg but it is used as a racing fuel because it can give more power to the engine through higher compression ratios. Measuring engine output in BTU is wrong and misleading.

3) Just because some in the HHO community believe that gains are possible but they have not seen them yet does not mean it cannot work.

To All: The bottom line here is that all of your arguments against HHO are not proof that it cannot possibly work and that it will never work. These are just your theories and opinions. Again, I have seen it work, I’ve done the math and see that it is possible. I believe those positive dyno tests results are correct.